1 00:00:25,333 --> 00:00:27,433 MAN: Friends, for eight long years, 2 00:00:27,466 --> 00:00:29,266 our country has suffered under the most 3 00:00:29,300 --> 00:00:33,150 radical anti-environment administration of the century. 4 00:00:33,183 --> 00:00:36,830 For eight long years, polluters have run wild. 5 00:00:36,116 --> 00:00:37,383 We need a president who will appoint 6 00:00:37,416 --> 00:00:40,283 law makers, not law breakers. 7 00:00:40,316 --> 00:00:43,450 Today, I'm proud to appear before you on behalf of friends 8 00:00:43,483 --> 00:00:46,216 of the Earth everywhere to introduce to you 9 00:00:46,250 --> 00:00:48,383 a great champion of environmental protection, 10 00:00:48,416 --> 00:00:51,450 and the next President of the United States, Jack Tanner. 11 00:01:01,416 --> 00:01:04,400 JACK: What's happened in the last eight years is tragic. 12 00:01:04,433 --> 00:01:07,266 There was no need to declare war on the environment 13 00:01:07,300 --> 00:01:10,116 or on environmentalists. 14 00:01:10,150 --> 00:01:12,160 The most recent Gallup and Harris 15 00:01:12,500 --> 00:01:15,330 polls show strong public opinion on this issue. 16 00:01:15,660 --> 00:01:17,300 People want the environment protected-- 17 00:01:17,333 --> 00:01:19,450 no ifs, ands, or buts about it. 18 00:01:23,133 --> 00:01:24,300 It means clean air. 19 00:01:24,333 --> 00:01:26,250 It means clean water. 20 00:01:26,283 --> 00:01:28,100 And it means a government which makes 21 00:01:28,133 --> 00:01:32,166 it its business to see that the public interests are protected. 22 00:01:36,450 --> 00:01:39,266 If the American people choose me as their leader, 23 00:01:39,300 --> 00:01:42,000 I will recommit this nation to a course 24 00:01:42,330 --> 00:01:44,350 of bipartisan, progressive environmentalism. 25 00:01:44,383 --> 00:01:47,000 And I intend to leave a legacy of which 26 00:01:47,330 --> 00:01:48,660 our children can be proud. 27 00:01:51,450 --> 00:01:55,830 As president, I will swear faithfully to uphold 28 00:01:55,116 --> 00:01:57,830 the laws of the United States. 29 00:01:57,116 --> 00:01:59,500 And I will see to it that the people who 30 00:01:59,830 --> 00:02:02,150 pollute with impunity are prosecuted 31 00:02:02,183 --> 00:02:04,216 to the full extent of the law. 32 00:02:04,250 --> 00:02:09,200 As Adlai Stevenson said in 1965, we are all travelers 33 00:02:09,233 --> 00:02:12,100 on Spaceship Earth. 34 00:02:12,133 --> 00:02:14,283 ANDREA: I need to help this guy a second. 35 00:02:14,316 --> 00:02:15,200 I'm sorry. 36 00:02:15,233 --> 00:02:17,300 [chatter] 37 00:02:17,333 --> 00:02:18,416 WAITER: Fresh Driscoll strawberries 38 00:02:18,450 --> 00:02:19,316 with [inaudible] melon. 39 00:02:19,350 --> 00:02:21,366 ANDREA: It looks beautiful. 40 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:25,166 Just sort of scoot around [inaudible] 41 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,216 Is this the [inaudible] 42 00:02:27,250 --> 00:02:28,433 WAITER: I'm sorry? 43 00:02:28,466 --> 00:02:31,166 [chatter] 44 00:02:32,116 --> 00:02:33,133 JACK: Well, stick around. 45 00:02:33,166 --> 00:02:35,000 I'm just going go through these right now. 46 00:02:35,330 --> 00:02:37,660 You can-- so I should know just about everybody. 47 00:02:37,100 --> 00:02:38,400 ANDREA: Actually, I need to help this guy a second. 48 00:02:38,433 --> 00:02:40,183 I'm sorry. JACK: I don't know Charles Wolf. 49 00:02:40,216 --> 00:02:42,366 STEVIE: OK, he's a new money player from Chicago. 50 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:43,350 JACK: Yeah. 51 00:02:43,383 --> 00:02:44,466 STEVIE: For the last few years, he's 52 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,266 been the key democratic fundraiser for the Midwest. 53 00:02:46,300 --> 00:02:47,300 JACK: Oh, OK. Good. 54 00:02:47,333 --> 00:02:48,300 STEVIE: He's flying in just for this. 55 00:02:48,333 --> 00:02:50,330 He's scouting. So give him some time. 56 00:02:50,660 --> 00:02:51,000 JACK: OK. 57 00:02:51,330 --> 00:02:51,433 OK. 58 00:02:51,466 --> 00:02:53,160 Kirk O'Donnell I know. Peter-- 59 00:02:53,500 --> 00:02:54,216 STEVIE: OK. 60 00:02:54,250 --> 00:02:56,150 JACK: Peter Edelman-- Peter-- well, he's Ted Kennedy's guy. 61 00:02:56,183 --> 00:02:57,266 STEVIE: Right. [inaudible] director. 62 00:02:57,300 --> 00:02:58,183 Uh huh. 63 00:02:58,216 --> 00:03:00,266 Mary McGrory, Washington Post. 64 00:03:00,300 --> 00:03:01,483 She's coming only for drinks. 65 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:03,183 So check in with her [inaudible] 66 00:03:03,216 --> 00:03:05,366 OK, Sid Blumenthal I know. 67 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:06,266 Washington Post. 68 00:03:06,300 --> 00:03:07,416 Good on themes. 69 00:03:07,450 --> 00:03:09,483 Mike Kinsley, editor of The New Republic. 70 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,000 All right. 71 00:03:12,330 --> 00:03:12,400 Bob Squier. 72 00:03:12,433 --> 00:03:14,116 Oh, wait a minute. 73 00:03:14,150 --> 00:03:15,330 The New Republic. 74 00:03:15,660 --> 00:03:17,160 Well, they've come out for Gore. 75 00:03:17,500 --> 00:03:18,183 Only in the first round. 76 00:03:18,216 --> 00:03:19,830 Talk to him anyway. 77 00:03:19,116 --> 00:03:21,200 See what happens. 78 00:03:21,233 --> 00:03:22,283 [phone ringing] 79 00:03:22,316 --> 00:03:23,300 Hello? 80 00:03:23,333 --> 00:03:24,316 ALEX (ON PHONE): Hi, it's Alex Tanner. 81 00:03:24,350 --> 00:03:25,200 Is my dad there? - Yes, he is. 82 00:03:25,233 --> 00:03:26,233 Just a moment, please. 83 00:03:26,266 --> 00:03:27,466 Andrea? 84 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,100 For Congressman Tanner. 85 00:03:29,133 --> 00:03:30,100 Oh, great, I'll take it. 86 00:03:30,133 --> 00:03:32,500 Oh, OK. 87 00:03:32,830 --> 00:03:33,500 Hello? 88 00:03:33,830 --> 00:03:34,100 ALEX (ON PHONE): Andrea, hi, it's Alex. 89 00:03:34,133 --> 00:03:36,330 Hi, Alex. ALEX (ON PHONE): How are you? 90 00:03:36,660 --> 00:03:37,000 Fine. 91 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:38,660 ALEX (ON PHONE): Is my dad there? 92 00:03:38,100 --> 00:03:39,250 Yeah, he's here. But you should see this house. 93 00:03:39,283 --> 00:03:40,366 It's incredible. ALEX (ON PHONE): Yeah? 94 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:41,433 We missed by a day, ladies. 95 00:03:41,466 --> 00:03:42,316 Right? 96 00:03:42,350 --> 00:03:43,350 George McGovern. 97 00:03:43,383 --> 00:03:44,233 I know, Jack. 98 00:03:44,266 --> 00:03:45,133 Could have been here. 99 00:03:45,166 --> 00:03:46,830 Should have been here. 100 00:03:46,116 --> 00:03:47,200 He's sitting on an island. 101 00:03:47,233 --> 00:03:48,100 He's on a vacation. 102 00:03:48,133 --> 00:03:49,500 Try to relax. 103 00:03:49,830 --> 00:03:50,133 Relax. 104 00:03:50,166 --> 00:03:51,233 If I were any more relaxed I'd be on the floor. 105 00:03:51,266 --> 00:03:52,200 Telephone call. 106 00:03:52,233 --> 00:03:53,216 Oh, thanks. 107 00:03:53,250 --> 00:03:54,350 Why don't you come this way and I'll 108 00:03:54,383 --> 00:03:55,400 show you where the phone is. - Would've been great. 109 00:03:55,433 --> 00:03:56,300 Would've been great. 110 00:03:56,333 --> 00:03:57,316 No, it'll be great. 111 00:03:57,350 --> 00:03:59,000 Oh, hold on. Here's your dad. 112 00:03:59,330 --> 00:04:00,283 ALEX (ON PHONE): OK, I'll talk to you later. 113 00:04:00,316 --> 00:04:02,350 Take care, bye. 114 00:04:02,383 --> 00:04:03,366 Hi, sweetie. How are you? 115 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:04,433 ALEX (ON PHONE): Hi, Dad, how are you? 116 00:04:04,466 --> 00:04:06,266 Where are you? I've been trying to reach you. 117 00:04:06,300 --> 00:04:08,660 ALEX (ON PHONE): I'm at home. - Yeah, now, look. 118 00:04:08,100 --> 00:04:09,433 Deke's going to come by, pick up some photographs. 119 00:04:09,466 --> 00:04:11,830 I've got them in a box in the den. 120 00:04:11,116 --> 00:04:12,283 ALEX (ON PHONE): What-- phot--photographs, 121 00:04:12,316 --> 00:04:13,333 what photographs? 122 00:04:13,366 --> 00:04:15,250 Uh, they're for the new spots for Indiana. 123 00:04:15,283 --> 00:04:17,000 I've been through all the stuff. It's OK. 124 00:04:17,330 --> 00:04:18,330 You can let him have it. 125 00:04:18,660 --> 00:04:19,000 ALEX (ON PHONE): He's such a jerk, Dad. 126 00:04:19,330 --> 00:04:19,383 He really makes me uncomfortable. 127 00:04:19,416 --> 00:04:20,166 I know he's a jerk, hon. 128 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:21,330 But let him in. 129 00:04:21,660 --> 00:04:22,300 It's time to shine, Jack. 130 00:04:22,333 --> 00:04:23,216 I've got to go. 131 00:04:23,250 --> 00:04:24,416 Make that flight in the morning. 132 00:04:24,450 --> 00:04:26,660 ALEX (ON PHONE): OK. I love you. 133 00:04:26,100 --> 00:04:27,500 OK. Bye bye. 134 00:04:29,383 --> 00:04:30,333 [chatter] 135 00:04:32,830 --> 00:04:35,200 Excuse me, Jack, [inaudible] Kirk O'Donnell, Peter Edelman. 136 00:04:35,233 --> 00:04:36,266 Hi. 137 00:04:36,300 --> 00:04:38,183 Jack, glad you could be here tonight with us. 138 00:04:38,216 --> 00:04:39,266 I'm delighted to be here. 139 00:04:39,300 --> 00:04:40,466 It's beautiful. 140 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,366 TJ: What is Gary Hart doing right now? 141 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,466 Should we write him? 142 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,000 Should we send him packages? 143 00:04:47,330 --> 00:04:48,400 Is there anything he needs? 144 00:04:48,433 --> 00:04:50,830 Looks like you're making a charge 145 00:04:50,116 --> 00:04:53,450 or a negative thrust that reflects 146 00:04:53,483 --> 00:04:56,660 hypocrisy on your part. 147 00:04:56,100 --> 00:04:57,250 At the same time, you really need 148 00:04:57,283 --> 00:05:02,000 to define yourself in relation to the other candidates now. 149 00:05:02,330 --> 00:05:06,383 That's really a key part of-- of running a campaign. 150 00:05:06,416 --> 00:05:07,483 What are the differences? 151 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:09,450 And I said, [inaudible] defend one Afrikaner guy. 152 00:05:09,483 --> 00:05:11,100 And I said-- I said this white guy's OK 153 00:05:11,133 --> 00:05:13,150 because he's an Afrikaner [inaudible] 300 years. 154 00:05:13,183 --> 00:05:14,183 You're not going to get elected 155 00:05:14,216 --> 00:05:16,200 just because you're a good guy. 156 00:05:16,233 --> 00:05:20,433 There's got to be a clear sense of-- of a defined difference 157 00:05:20,466 --> 00:05:21,350 with your opponents. 158 00:05:21,383 --> 00:05:22,416 I defended the board. 159 00:05:22,450 --> 00:05:24,266 I said, the guy's been [inaudible] for years. 160 00:05:24,300 --> 00:05:27,183 And Michael says, that sounds like Vietnam. 161 00:05:27,216 --> 00:05:30,133 Nixon said that when you get sick of saying it, 162 00:05:30,166 --> 00:05:32,350 that's when they've heard it the first time. 163 00:05:32,383 --> 00:05:33,333 Absolutely. 164 00:05:33,366 --> 00:05:35,660 Absolutely. 165 00:05:35,100 --> 00:05:38,433 [inaudible] be taking lessons from him. 166 00:05:38,466 --> 00:05:40,483 Tell me something about Tanner [inaudible] 167 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,183 Well, basically, he's the only candidate 168 00:05:43,216 --> 00:05:45,300 that's really worthwhile. 169 00:05:45,333 --> 00:05:47,160 I just don't think this is going to work. 170 00:05:47,500 --> 00:05:49,333 I tell you, Reagan, you can take him so far, 171 00:05:49,366 --> 00:05:50,483 and that's going to be it. 172 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:52,416 He's going to get nailed for this civil rights thing, 173 00:05:52,450 --> 00:05:54,133 I think. MAN: Four years of Bush. 174 00:05:54,166 --> 00:05:55,350 I don't know how we're going to do this. 175 00:05:55,383 --> 00:05:56,466 I don't know. 176 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,383 To-- to look at the meanness that's going on here. 177 00:05:59,416 --> 00:06:02,216 Yeah, the book thing should have told him when-- 178 00:06:02,250 --> 00:06:04,283 one-- every politician one thing-- 179 00:06:04,316 --> 00:06:06,200 nobody wants to go back. 180 00:06:06,233 --> 00:06:08,000 JACK: You know, people are-- [inaudible] 181 00:06:08,330 --> 00:06:09,000 chances with [inaudible] 182 00:06:09,330 --> 00:06:11,100 But when you do it-- when you do it-- 183 00:06:11,133 --> 00:06:13,466 half the technicians out there are saying don't-- hey, hey, 184 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,416 hey, keep it--keep it easy. 185 00:06:15,450 --> 00:06:18,383 Keep it very, very, very specific. 186 00:06:18,416 --> 00:06:20,183 Don't get too big up there. 187 00:06:20,216 --> 00:06:21,233 You'll leave yourself open. 188 00:06:21,266 --> 00:06:23,830 And they're crazy. 189 00:06:23,116 --> 00:06:24,266 They are crazy. 190 00:06:24,300 --> 00:06:25,450 That's what's the matter with the rest of the candidates. 191 00:06:25,483 --> 00:06:27,350 They're all being operated. 192 00:06:27,383 --> 00:06:30,133 Actually, there are a lot of people with lots of good ideas. 193 00:06:30,166 --> 00:06:31,483 But you don't get to see those. 194 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:36,500 My guess is that the process will begin to happen before we 195 00:06:36,830 --> 00:06:37,416 get to the convention. 196 00:06:37,450 --> 00:06:39,216 We're going to have a brokered process before we 197 00:06:39,250 --> 00:06:41,133 have a brokered convention. 198 00:06:41,166 --> 00:06:43,000 I think the people pick the brokers this time. 199 00:06:43,330 --> 00:06:44,333 I think what's fascinating about this process 200 00:06:44,366 --> 00:06:48,150 is that you've got candidates out there as brokers. 201 00:06:48,183 --> 00:06:49,466 I mean, Jesse Jackson's a broker. 202 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,383 He's a broker, whether he knows it or not. 203 00:06:51,416 --> 00:06:55,660 No, I'm not opposed to any kind of impassioned plea 204 00:06:55,100 --> 00:06:58,500 that's really heartfelt. I think that's imperative to success 205 00:06:58,830 --> 00:06:59,200 in a campaign. 206 00:06:59,233 --> 00:07:01,216 But I think the problem is that that quite often 207 00:07:01,250 --> 00:07:03,166 you're victims of the media. 208 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,660 And that you can be passionate about something 209 00:07:05,100 --> 00:07:06,100 and it can be edited out. 210 00:07:06,133 --> 00:07:07,266 Someone was saying tonight, you have 211 00:07:07,300 --> 00:07:09,333 to say-- you have to say the same thing 212 00:07:09,366 --> 00:07:12,830 every time, over and over and over and over again. 213 00:07:12,116 --> 00:07:13,266 And when you get tired of saying it, 214 00:07:13,300 --> 00:07:16,233 that's probably when the public hears it for the first time. 215 00:07:16,266 --> 00:07:18,216 But in the meantime, though, the part of the public 216 00:07:18,250 --> 00:07:20,660 that's listening has also tuned you out 217 00:07:20,100 --> 00:07:22,000 because they're tired of you saying that same thing over 218 00:07:22,330 --> 00:07:23,166 and over again. 219 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,660 If you had a situation that was set up the way Hart had 220 00:07:25,100 --> 00:07:27,300 his situation set up four years ago, where he maneuvered 221 00:07:27,333 --> 00:07:29,330 himself around quickly to the point 222 00:07:29,660 --> 00:07:31,350 where he was the alternative to Mondale, 223 00:07:31,383 --> 00:07:33,316 then that's a debate that's manageable for the press 224 00:07:33,350 --> 00:07:34,416 to cover. 225 00:07:34,450 --> 00:07:37,500 I mean, it's-- it's the insider and the outsider. 226 00:07:37,830 --> 00:07:38,233 You've got to be the outsider. 227 00:07:38,266 --> 00:07:41,166 And you've got to make Dukakis, you know, the insider. 228 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,160 And once you can set that up, then-- 229 00:07:43,500 --> 00:07:44,166 then you've got a debate operating 230 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:45,300 that can work for you. 231 00:07:45,333 --> 00:07:47,383 Part of the reason that Dukakis is ahead, in my view, 232 00:07:47,416 --> 00:07:51,166 is not only because he is a candidate with a lot of money, 233 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:55,330 it's because that his message that he brings is similar 234 00:07:55,660 --> 00:07:57,283 to what the theme of his campaign could be if it were 235 00:07:57,316 --> 00:07:59,200 to win-- which is, he is somebody who's going 236 00:07:59,233 --> 00:08:01,116 to help America compete. 237 00:08:01,150 --> 00:08:03,233 It's a great couch potato race. 238 00:08:03,266 --> 00:08:05,450 And you're going to have to make it into a real race. 239 00:08:05,483 --> 00:08:10,000 [inaudible] said that so much so far has been abstract. 240 00:08:10,330 --> 00:08:12,250 We're talking about all kinds of controls-- 241 00:08:12,283 --> 00:08:13,433 this and that, Gephardt. 242 00:08:13,466 --> 00:08:15,266 I mean, I think people-- I mean, we've got to just 243 00:08:15,300 --> 00:08:16,450 start addressing people. 244 00:08:16,483 --> 00:08:20,233 We're talking about this whole thing about issues, themes, 245 00:08:20,266 --> 00:08:22,150 and talking to people. 246 00:08:22,183 --> 00:08:26,166 What are the technicians telling their candidates except Tanner? 247 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:27,250 And Jackson, maybe. 248 00:08:27,283 --> 00:08:28,450 What are they saying? 249 00:08:28,483 --> 00:08:30,160 [inaudible] 250 00:08:30,500 --> 00:08:31,250 I think-- I think-- we were talking about this. 251 00:08:31,283 --> 00:08:33,150 I mean, the problem right now is that you've 252 00:08:33,183 --> 00:08:36,500 got this-- this sort of mess. 253 00:08:36,830 --> 00:08:39,233 I mean, you have nobody that can challenge a frontrunner. 254 00:08:39,266 --> 00:08:41,100 I mean, Dukakis is a very smart frontrunner, 255 00:08:41,133 --> 00:08:44,250 because he's sitting out there with a very low profile. 256 00:08:44,283 --> 00:08:47,350 And no one is developed to be the logical challenger. 257 00:08:47,383 --> 00:08:49,366 I mean, think--think back-- but not yet. 258 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:50,416 Because look, I mean, he's having 259 00:08:50,450 --> 00:08:52,160 to share it with Jackson. 260 00:08:52,500 --> 00:08:53,400 You know, Jackson's still way out there in front. 261 00:08:53,433 --> 00:08:55,250 And-- and you've got a situation in which 262 00:08:55,283 --> 00:08:57,433 there are just too many-- they can't winnow themselves out. 263 00:08:57,466 --> 00:09:00,350 Just challenge Dukakis to a-- to a debate. 264 00:09:00,383 --> 00:09:02,000 One on one. - One on one? 265 00:09:02,330 --> 00:09:02,416 The two of us. 266 00:09:02,450 --> 00:09:04,330 Exactly. 267 00:09:04,660 --> 00:09:05,366 And then if Dukakis doesn't want to debate Jack-- 268 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:06,350 then what? 269 00:09:06,383 --> 00:09:08,200 Then get his schedule. 270 00:09:08,233 --> 00:09:09,400 Get his schedule and then what? 271 00:09:09,433 --> 00:09:10,300 Show up. 272 00:09:10,333 --> 00:09:12,250 Show up. 273 00:09:12,283 --> 00:09:13,150 I don't know. 274 00:09:13,183 --> 00:09:14,233 Is he so far behind? 275 00:09:14,266 --> 00:09:15,283 Exactly. 276 00:09:15,316 --> 00:09:16,383 I don't know that I want to chase the guy. 277 00:09:16,416 --> 00:09:17,383 You know? 278 00:09:17,416 --> 00:09:20,500 I mean, he's-- he puts me to sleep. 279 00:09:20,830 --> 00:09:23,483 But when we saw you in that famous coffee table shot, 280 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,266 it was very clear that you felt very strongly about what 281 00:09:27,300 --> 00:09:28,183 you were talking about. 282 00:09:28,216 --> 00:09:29,400 You were mad at yourself. 283 00:09:29,433 --> 00:09:30,383 You were mad at her. 284 00:09:30,416 --> 00:09:32,330 You were mad at everybody. 285 00:09:32,660 --> 00:09:33,233 JACK: I also allowed them to exploit me with that shot. 286 00:09:33,266 --> 00:09:34,160 And you didn't know you were on camera. 287 00:09:34,500 --> 00:09:35,160 JACK: Exactly. 288 00:09:35,500 --> 00:09:36,330 You weren't exploited with that shot. 289 00:09:36,660 --> 00:09:37,150 JACK: I don't know. 290 00:09:37,183 --> 00:09:38,166 I've never been very comfortable with that whole-- 291 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,330 TJ: Oh, but Jack, you were [inaudible] 292 00:09:40,660 --> 00:09:45,160 It allowed you people to-- to exploit me there. 293 00:09:45,500 --> 00:09:47,466 BOB SQUIER: You should have promoted her for that. 294 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:49,500 There's something about it that I 295 00:09:49,830 --> 00:09:51,830 find very difficult to look at. 296 00:09:51,116 --> 00:09:51,483 I really do. I mean-- 297 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:52,433 Can I tell you something? 298 00:09:52,466 --> 00:09:54,100 There's only one rule. 299 00:09:54,133 --> 00:09:55,300 And that is, they're not going to give this thing to you. 300 00:09:55,333 --> 00:09:57,500 They're not going to take a cloak 301 00:09:57,830 --> 00:10:00,330 and drape it around your damn shoulders. 302 00:10:00,660 --> 00:10:01,233 You gotta go out and grab it. 303 00:10:01,266 --> 00:10:03,333 [inaudible] I react to the spontaneous. 304 00:10:03,366 --> 00:10:05,416 Which is a problem because that's the very thing 305 00:10:05,450 --> 00:10:07,433 you see as exploitation. 306 00:10:07,466 --> 00:10:11,100 I would much rather see something real happen, 307 00:10:11,133 --> 00:10:13,283 not a make-believe real thing. 308 00:10:13,316 --> 00:10:16,116 But, you know, yawning and scratching your belly. 309 00:10:16,150 --> 00:10:18,000 JACK: Muskie crying in front of a newspaper? 310 00:10:18,330 --> 00:10:19,100 Well, not too real. 311 00:10:19,133 --> 00:10:20,316 The biggest idiocy is the guy who says we don't 312 00:10:20,350 --> 00:10:22,166 need another actor like Reagan. 313 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,000 You should be so lucky as we will put you 314 00:10:25,330 --> 00:10:27,450 forward as another actor, so long as you're 315 00:10:27,483 --> 00:10:29,433 an actor like Roosevelt. 316 00:10:29,466 --> 00:10:31,166 JACK: So the answer to his question 317 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:32,366 is, money, money, and money. Right? 318 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:33,416 Well, we need it. 319 00:10:33,450 --> 00:10:36,483 I mean, [inaudible] get out on television, 320 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,830 [inaudible] little help, right? 321 00:10:39,116 --> 00:10:40,383 One of the people who is the least boring 322 00:10:40,416 --> 00:10:43,830 is already gone by the boards because of lack of money, 323 00:10:43,116 --> 00:10:44,283 and that's Babbitt, you know? 324 00:10:44,316 --> 00:10:47,150 He was-- he's a terribly interesting guy. 325 00:10:47,183 --> 00:10:49,500 And he's gone. 326 00:10:49,830 --> 00:10:50,000 And uh-- 327 00:10:50,330 --> 00:10:50,450 And drink to that. 328 00:10:50,483 --> 00:10:53,133 [inaudible] drink to that. 329 00:10:53,166 --> 00:10:55,200 And, you know, I have mixed feelings about that. 330 00:10:55,233 --> 00:10:57,200 Because, I mean, I like him enormously. 331 00:10:57,233 --> 00:10:59,433 And, uh, at the same time, he's another-- 332 00:10:59,466 --> 00:11:02,366 he's another guy out of my way. 333 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,830 [inaudible] 334 00:11:05,116 --> 00:11:07,366 See, the interesting thing this year is that-- 335 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,160 You got him going [inaudible] 336 00:11:09,500 --> 00:11:12,216 There's a lot of issues like, uh-- like drugs, 337 00:11:12,250 --> 00:11:15,233 which only Jesse, thus far, in the Democratic 338 00:11:15,266 --> 00:11:16,400 Party is speaking to. 339 00:11:16,433 --> 00:11:19,400 And here's an issue where all these yuppies who grew up, 340 00:11:19,433 --> 00:11:22,233 they were Democrats, and liberal Democrats. 341 00:11:22,266 --> 00:11:24,500 And now they're kind of wavering. 342 00:11:24,830 --> 00:11:27,100 And if a candidate, a white candidate, 343 00:11:27,133 --> 00:11:30,283 could begin to talk about the concerns which suburban, 344 00:11:30,316 --> 00:11:34,400 BMW-driving, could-be Democratic primary voters, 345 00:11:34,433 --> 00:11:36,416 are concerned about-- their kids, their family. 346 00:11:36,450 --> 00:11:39,500 There's another side to all this money, which 347 00:11:39,830 --> 00:11:41,266 is, you know, what it means in terms of access 348 00:11:41,300 --> 00:11:43,233 to a whole bunch of things that undermine the family, 349 00:11:43,266 --> 00:11:45,330 like Susan was saying. 350 00:11:45,660 --> 00:11:46,200 That comes from here to there. 351 00:11:46,233 --> 00:11:48,183 I think that one thing that Jack's real concerned about 352 00:11:48,216 --> 00:11:50,166 and that we have to address is that he can't be put 353 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,330 into a context that is necessarily what 354 00:11:52,660 --> 00:11:53,100 we call "the right context." 355 00:11:53,133 --> 00:11:55,500 He has to be in a place where he feels 356 00:11:55,830 --> 00:11:56,216 passionate about something. 357 00:11:56,250 --> 00:11:57,400 If he's talking about drugs, he's 358 00:11:57,433 --> 00:11:58,416 going to address that issue. 359 00:11:58,450 --> 00:12:00,660 If he's talking about education, he's 360 00:12:00,100 --> 00:12:01,383 going to address that issue. 361 00:12:01,416 --> 00:12:04,433 And-- and we have to create contexts in which 362 00:12:04,466 --> 00:12:07,133 he feels strong, you know? 363 00:12:07,166 --> 00:12:08,150 And-- and-- and comfortable. 364 00:12:08,183 --> 00:12:09,350 And-- - I tell you, though. 365 00:12:09,383 --> 00:12:11,333 If you're going to do this, one of the things you first 366 00:12:11,366 --> 00:12:13,450 got to do is you have to avoid little events like I 367 00:12:13,483 --> 00:12:15,366 saw on TV the other night. 368 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,150 When you came down the stairs with your friend 369 00:12:17,183 --> 00:12:20,433 Reverend Cryer, and this spontaneous-- spontaneous press 370 00:12:20,466 --> 00:12:21,466 conference was there. 371 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:22,466 I mean, that's a loser. 372 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:24,500 What happened? 373 00:12:24,830 --> 00:12:25,216 We had an overenthusiastic advance man 374 00:12:25,250 --> 00:12:28,133 who decided to create an agenda that nobody 375 00:12:28,166 --> 00:12:29,100 knew anything about. 376 00:12:29,133 --> 00:12:30,116 And it was a big surprise. 377 00:12:30,150 --> 00:12:30,466 How about a former advance man? 378 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:31,433 He's not here tonight. 379 00:12:31,466 --> 00:12:33,500 What did that guy do the next day? 380 00:12:33,830 --> 00:12:34,183 JACK: (CLEARS THROAT) Well, he came out for Jackson. 381 00:12:34,216 --> 00:12:35,100 Yeah. 382 00:12:35,133 --> 00:12:36,330 Right. 383 00:12:36,660 --> 00:12:37,333 And was he a possible? 384 00:12:37,366 --> 00:12:38,400 Was he a possible for you? 385 00:12:38,433 --> 00:12:39,300 JACK: Oh, sure. 386 00:12:39,333 --> 00:12:41,500 He's a good friend of mine. 387 00:12:41,830 --> 00:12:42,660 Sure. 388 00:12:42,100 --> 00:12:44,660 I mean, I think he felt betrayed by us. 389 00:12:44,100 --> 00:12:46,160 I think, to this day, he thinks I set him up. 390 00:12:46,500 --> 00:12:47,000 Of course he did. 391 00:12:47,330 --> 00:12:48,233 The only thing that saved you on TV 392 00:12:48,266 --> 00:12:51,133 was, one station had a close up of your face. 393 00:12:51,166 --> 00:12:54,830 And you looked more surprised than he did. 394 00:12:54,116 --> 00:12:55,283 [interposing voices] 395 00:13:03,660 --> 00:13:06,330 [inaudible] Can you say goodnight to everybody? 396 00:13:06,660 --> 00:13:07,283 [inaudible] 397 00:13:07,316 --> 00:13:08,266 Goodnight! 398 00:13:08,300 --> 00:13:10,466 [inaudible] back to bed. 399 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:11,366 Deke. 400 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:12,333 Hi, come in. 401 00:13:12,366 --> 00:13:13,433 - Hey, how are you, Alex? - Good. 402 00:13:13,466 --> 00:13:15,150 - Is this a bad time? - No, no, no, no. 403 00:13:15,183 --> 00:13:16,200 I just got somebody on the phone. 404 00:13:16,233 --> 00:13:17,433 But come on in. - Is the old man around? 405 00:13:17,466 --> 00:13:18,450 Uh, no, no. 406 00:13:18,483 --> 00:13:19,350 He's out working. 407 00:13:19,383 --> 00:13:20,250 How you doing? 408 00:13:20,283 --> 00:13:21,483 Oh, you know, OK. 409 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:22,450 [inaudible] - Charlotte? 410 00:13:22,483 --> 00:13:24,660 DEKE: [inaudible] New York. 411 00:13:24,100 --> 00:13:24,416 CHARLOTTE (ON PHONE): Nick's going to be there too. 412 00:13:24,450 --> 00:13:26,660 Yeah, it sounds great. 413 00:13:26,100 --> 00:13:26,400 CHARLOTTE (ON PHONE): Great, come early and we'll talk. 414 00:13:26,433 --> 00:13:28,500 Yeah, OK. Good. 415 00:13:28,433 --> 00:13:29,300 Bye bye. 416 00:13:28,830 --> 00:13:29,333 I'll see you tonight, then. CHARLOTTE (ON PHONE): OK. 417 00:13:29,333 --> 00:13:30,250 CHARLOTTE (ON PHONE): Bye. 418 00:13:30,283 --> 00:13:31,366 Who's that? 419 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,283 This is my best friend from high school. 420 00:13:33,316 --> 00:13:35,183 I haven't been home in so long, they're throwing 421 00:13:35,216 --> 00:13:36,116 a party for me tonight. 422 00:13:36,150 --> 00:13:37,183 - No kidding, really? - Yeah. 423 00:13:37,216 --> 00:13:38,100 Yeah. 424 00:13:38,133 --> 00:13:39,183 You need someone to take you? 425 00:13:39,216 --> 00:13:40,300 - Oh, you're sweet. - Oh, great. 426 00:13:40,333 --> 00:13:41,200 No problem. 427 00:13:41,233 --> 00:13:42,250 What time? 428 00:13:42,283 --> 00:13:44,366 No, I mean, you're sweet, but no thanks. 429 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:45,283 Oh. 430 00:13:45,316 --> 00:13:46,416 You got that covered, I guess. 431 00:13:46,450 --> 00:13:48,500 Yeah. 432 00:13:48,830 --> 00:13:50,216 Uh, these are the photos I went through last night. 433 00:13:50,250 --> 00:13:51,300 Most of them are Washington. 434 00:13:51,333 --> 00:13:53,330 Some of them are Michigan. 435 00:13:53,660 --> 00:13:54,233 Dad approved them all, so you can just 436 00:13:54,266 --> 00:13:55,333 borrow whichever ones you want. 437 00:13:55,366 --> 00:13:56,383 OK. 438 00:13:56,416 --> 00:13:58,330 Well, you know, I'll probably just videotape 439 00:13:58,660 --> 00:13:59,333 them here if that's all right. - Oh, perfect. 440 00:13:59,366 --> 00:14:00,400 Perfect. OK. 441 00:14:00,433 --> 00:14:02,183 If you need anything, give a holler. 442 00:14:02,216 --> 00:14:03,660 - OK. - OK, good. 443 00:14:03,100 --> 00:14:03,450 Will do. 444 00:14:06,166 --> 00:14:08,183 Probably talk about sororities, anyway. 445 00:14:16,283 --> 00:14:17,150 This is Slicker. 446 00:14:17,183 --> 00:14:18,333 Moonwalker on his way up. 447 00:14:18,366 --> 00:14:20,216 Handing off. 448 00:14:20,250 --> 00:14:21,383 Got him, Slicker. 449 00:14:21,416 --> 00:14:23,116 Charlie, he's coming up to you, accompanied by a staffer. 450 00:14:31,283 --> 00:14:33,100 Moonwalker and staffer on elevator. 451 00:14:33,133 --> 00:14:34,116 Sanitize the hallway. 452 00:14:34,150 --> 00:14:35,266 STRINGER: I need to talk to you. 453 00:14:35,300 --> 00:14:36,366 Do you mind if I ask you a question? 454 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,830 In a minute, Stringer. [inaudible] 455 00:14:38,116 --> 00:14:38,483 That's a roger. 456 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,133 Hallway is sterilized. 457 00:14:42,166 --> 00:14:44,116 What do you want me to do, Stringer? 458 00:14:44,150 --> 00:14:46,160 I just don't think it's fair, Congressman. 459 00:14:46,500 --> 00:14:47,233 What isn't fair? 460 00:14:47,266 --> 00:14:49,830 Come on, no one tells me jack anymore. 461 00:14:49,116 --> 00:14:50,166 I've been frozen out. 462 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:51,433 The schedules are routed around me. 463 00:14:51,466 --> 00:14:53,433 I have to make appointments to see TJ. 464 00:14:53,466 --> 00:14:56,216 Ah, hell, Stringer, I have to make appointments to see TJ. 465 00:14:56,250 --> 00:14:57,250 Thanks, Billy. 466 00:14:57,283 --> 00:14:58,316 Thanks Billy. 467 00:14:58,350 --> 00:15:00,000 Come on, Jack. 468 00:15:00,330 --> 00:15:03,166 I've been cut out ever since Nashville. 469 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:04,660 OK, Stringer. 470 00:15:04,100 --> 00:15:05,300 Here it is. 471 00:15:05,333 --> 00:15:07,160 Nashville was a problem for me. 472 00:15:07,500 --> 00:15:09,166 A serious problem. 473 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,266 I was in a private meeting with an old and valued friend. 474 00:15:11,300 --> 00:15:12,416 And when you showed up with the press-- 475 00:15:12,450 --> 00:15:13,483 I showed too much initiative. 476 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:14,383 I know it. 477 00:15:14,416 --> 00:15:15,433 I know I was out of line. 478 00:15:15,466 --> 00:15:17,216 But you can't just assume I'm going to make 479 00:15:17,250 --> 00:15:18,450 that mistake every time. - No. 480 00:15:18,483 --> 00:15:19,400 You embarrassed me. 481 00:15:19,433 --> 00:15:21,183 You embarrassed Billy. 482 00:15:21,216 --> 00:15:22,466 And when he came out the next day for Jackson, 483 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:24,660 you embarrassed the whole campaign. 484 00:15:31,233 --> 00:15:32,316 Speaking of embarrassed. 485 00:15:54,366 --> 00:15:55,216 Hello. 486 00:15:58,216 --> 00:15:59,416 What have we here? 487 00:16:02,450 --> 00:16:05,150 "Wake up call at 5:45. 488 00:16:05,183 --> 00:16:07,283 Sweet god, I'm tired. 489 00:16:07,316 --> 00:16:12,133 [inaudible] shows up with [inaudible] 490 00:16:12,166 --> 00:16:28,116 What a blessing this child is." 491 00:16:28,150 --> 00:16:31,233 JACK: OK, Stevie, who else is scheduled for the hearing 492 00:16:31,266 --> 00:16:32,150 tomorrow? 493 00:16:32,183 --> 00:16:34,000 Let's see. 494 00:16:34,330 --> 00:16:36,830 Bradshaw Langley from AID. 495 00:16:36,116 --> 00:16:37,300 Carl Taylor, you remember, from UNICEF. 496 00:16:37,333 --> 00:16:38,266 Mm hm. 497 00:16:38,300 --> 00:16:40,830 And, of course, Governor Babbitt. 498 00:16:40,116 --> 00:16:42,830 Oh, right. 499 00:16:42,116 --> 00:16:43,233 Um, call Bruce's office. 500 00:16:43,266 --> 00:16:44,416 We were both on the same commission. 501 00:16:44,450 --> 00:16:46,350 I want to make sure there's no overlapping going on here. 502 00:16:46,383 --> 00:16:48,166 No, we've already taken care of that, Jack. 503 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,500 He's covering mostly the immunization data. 504 00:16:51,830 --> 00:16:53,266 By the way, the commission's numbers were outdated. 505 00:16:53,300 --> 00:16:56,166 I had to have Emile get the revised 506 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,300 1987 figures from UNICEF's office in Dar es Salaam. 507 00:16:59,333 --> 00:17:01,416 JACK: Thank you very much, Teresa Jean. 508 00:17:01,450 --> 00:17:04,000 Stevie, can you get the changes from Emile. 509 00:17:04,330 --> 00:17:05,000 Mm hm. 510 00:17:05,330 --> 00:17:06,350 TJ: No, we've already done that, Jack. 511 00:17:06,383 --> 00:17:07,383 Revised text will be out tonight. 512 00:17:10,333 --> 00:17:12,150 Before you send the revised text out, 513 00:17:12,183 --> 00:17:16,500 I'd like to make the revisions, if you don't mind. 514 00:17:16,830 --> 00:17:18,266 Don't you speak to me in that tone of voice, young man. 515 00:17:18,300 --> 00:17:21,400 JACK: Look, TJ, Stevie and I can handle this. 516 00:17:21,433 --> 00:17:25,100 You've got a campaign to run, right? 517 00:17:25,133 --> 00:17:26,366 If you say so. 518 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:27,383 JACK: All right, anything else? 519 00:17:27,416 --> 00:17:28,466 ANDREA: You know, I've been reading 520 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,160 this book on Ronald Reagan. 521 00:17:30,500 --> 00:17:32,150 It's called "Smile, Style, and Guile." 522 00:17:32,183 --> 00:17:33,366 I think you should be pointing out that-- 523 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,160 Did you read it? 524 00:17:35,500 --> 00:17:38,000 --by slashing aid 33%, the Reagan administration has 525 00:17:38,330 --> 00:17:40,330 caused a lot of damage with our relations 526 00:17:40,660 --> 00:17:41,830 with the African [inaudible] - Yeah. 527 00:17:41,116 --> 00:17:42,000 DEKE: Hey, Team Tanner. 528 00:17:42,330 --> 00:17:42,400 ANDREA: Hi. 529 00:17:42,433 --> 00:17:43,300 Welcome, Deke. 530 00:17:43,333 --> 00:17:45,830 DEKE: [inaudible] 531 00:17:45,116 --> 00:17:46,000 Hiya, Deke. 532 00:17:46,330 --> 00:17:46,416 Hey. 533 00:17:46,450 --> 00:17:47,466 Where's my darling daughter? 534 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:49,116 Uh, she went right to the hotel. 535 00:17:49,150 --> 00:17:50,160 She was beat, man. 536 00:17:50,450 --> 00:17:51,333 How did her party go? 537 00:17:50,500 --> 00:17:51,366 Yeah, I bet. 538 00:17:51,366 --> 00:17:52,300 Uh, don't know. 539 00:17:52,333 --> 00:17:53,333 Wasn't invited. 540 00:17:53,366 --> 00:17:54,300 Uh, it's cool, though. 541 00:17:54,333 --> 00:17:56,160 I had to work on that Indiana spot. 542 00:17:56,500 --> 00:17:57,160 Yes, you did. 543 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:58,830 Tell me it's finished. 544 00:17:58,116 --> 00:17:59,233 I still have to do the audio. 545 00:17:59,266 --> 00:18:01,116 But I'll screen the rough cut for you tomorrow. 546 00:18:01,150 --> 00:18:02,150 Yeah. 547 00:18:02,183 --> 00:18:03,333 Right after the hearing I want to see it. 548 00:18:03,366 --> 00:18:05,660 No surprises this time, right? 549 00:18:05,100 --> 00:18:06,466 Right, big guy. 550 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,466 Like, no bad surprises, right? 551 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,333 MICKEY LELAND: Let me begin my formal line of questioning. 552 00:18:15,366 --> 00:18:17,116 Congress has made clear its intent 553 00:18:17,150 --> 00:18:22,283 that child survival programs expand and clearly, equally so. 554 00:18:22,316 --> 00:18:25,183 That, and addressing of the development crises in Africa 555 00:18:25,216 --> 00:18:26,416 is a top priority. 556 00:18:26,450 --> 00:18:28,416 It is also clear that the means exist 557 00:18:28,450 --> 00:18:32,266 for an effective expansion of child survival activities. 558 00:18:32,300 --> 00:18:36,250 Your agency has made very encouraging statements to make 559 00:18:36,283 --> 00:18:39,350 on child survival programs. 560 00:18:39,383 --> 00:18:43,416 Your own statement today says that AID remains committed 561 00:18:43,450 --> 00:18:47,330 to a focus on child survival. 562 00:18:47,660 --> 00:18:50,830 Now, despite all of this, and despite increased 563 00:18:50,116 --> 00:18:53,250 congressional funding for child survival programs-- 564 00:18:53,283 --> 00:18:57,333 and, particularly, for African development programs-- 565 00:18:57,366 --> 00:19:02,283 AID is spending less money in 1988 than in 1987 566 00:19:02,316 --> 00:19:04,116 on child survival in Africa. 567 00:19:07,100 --> 00:19:08,200 This is Acrobat, Red Stone. 568 00:19:08,233 --> 00:19:10,350 Moonwalker and Book Bag are on their way up. 569 00:19:10,383 --> 00:19:12,416 Moonwalker and Book Bag on the stairway, Charlie. 570 00:19:12,450 --> 00:19:14,150 Have the driver stand by. 571 00:19:14,183 --> 00:19:17,333 I'm not sure how I feel about Book Bag [inaudible]. 572 00:19:21,350 --> 00:19:24,160 Hey, Congressman. 573 00:19:24,450 --> 00:19:26,660 Time. Time. 574 00:19:24,500 --> 00:19:26,100 Hold it, hold it. 575 00:19:26,100 --> 00:19:27,660 Time. 576 00:19:27,100 --> 00:19:28,133 This is not a basketball game, Frank. 577 00:19:28,166 --> 00:19:29,166 This is serious business. 578 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:30,166 I didn't want to miss you, Congressman. 579 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:31,316 Miss me? 580 00:19:31,350 --> 00:19:32,316 How are you going to miss me with the hearings on CNN? 581 00:19:32,350 --> 00:19:33,250 Not the hearing, the demonstration. 582 00:19:33,283 --> 00:19:34,416 Frank. 583 00:19:34,450 --> 00:19:36,216 I'm going through security, here, Molly. 584 00:19:36,250 --> 00:19:37,183 You'll have to wait your turn. 585 00:19:37,216 --> 00:19:38,183 JACK: Billy, let him out of there. 586 00:19:38,216 --> 00:19:39,383 What, uh, what demonstration, Frank? 587 00:19:39,416 --> 00:19:40,200 Thank you. That was very exciting. 588 00:19:40,233 --> 00:19:41,183 Thank you. 589 00:19:41,216 --> 00:19:43,830 At the South African Embassy. 590 00:19:43,116 --> 00:19:44,416 Trans-Africa said you're a participant. 591 00:19:44,450 --> 00:19:46,150 ALEX: I didn't know that. - Oh, god. 592 00:19:46,183 --> 00:19:48,830 I committed to them last fall before I was even running. 593 00:19:48,116 --> 00:19:49,150 I forgot all about it. 594 00:19:49,183 --> 00:19:50,183 Congressman, are you going to the embassy? 595 00:19:50,216 --> 00:19:51,166 I have to get my crew. - I can't, Molly. 596 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:52,166 I can't. 597 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:53,400 I'm testifying on the Hill at 3:00. 598 00:19:53,433 --> 00:19:54,366 Dad, you're not due down there until 2:00. 599 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:55,266 You got plenty of time. 600 00:19:55,300 --> 00:19:56,266 Let's go. 601 00:19:56,300 --> 00:19:57,250 Dad! 602 00:19:57,283 --> 00:19:58,450 You can't renege. 603 00:19:58,483 --> 00:20:00,133 You're a presidential candidate. 604 00:20:00,166 --> 00:20:01,400 It is important that you be there. 605 00:20:01,433 --> 00:20:03,330 How far is it from here? 606 00:20:03,660 --> 00:20:04,183 It's not that far. It's right down Massachusetts. 607 00:20:04,216 --> 00:20:05,316 OK, great. Let's go. 608 00:20:05,350 --> 00:20:06,400 Sir, I have to recommend against such a departure. 609 00:20:06,433 --> 00:20:08,116 Security would be completely fully compromised. 610 00:20:08,150 --> 00:20:10,216 So would his reputation if he doesn't go. 611 00:20:10,250 --> 00:20:12,216 Dad, this is great. 612 00:20:12,250 --> 00:20:13,416 This is not great. 613 00:20:13,450 --> 00:20:15,416 [inaudible] 614 00:20:15,450 --> 00:20:17,250 Charlie, this is Acrobat. 615 00:20:17,283 --> 00:20:18,433 We have a change of destination. 616 00:20:18,466 --> 00:20:19,333 Acrobat. 617 00:20:19,366 --> 00:20:20,400 Fred Acrobat. 618 00:20:20,433 --> 00:20:23,233 Cincinnati, Ohio. 619 00:20:23,266 --> 00:20:24,466 MICKEY LELAND: [inaudible] primary promoters 620 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,316 of [inaudible] spending money is [inaudible] 621 00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:28,316 You know where it comes from? 622 00:20:28,350 --> 00:20:29,366 Right here. 623 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,450 Our defense department advocates that we've 624 00:20:31,483 --> 00:20:33,400 got to help our friends to build this 625 00:20:33,433 --> 00:20:35,266 incredible military machine. 626 00:20:35,300 --> 00:20:39,216 In Haiti, [inaudible] we're more willing to give-- 627 00:20:39,250 --> 00:20:41,150 Excuse me, sir. 628 00:20:41,183 --> 00:20:43,433 You wouldn't by any chance be General Tanner, would you? 629 00:20:43,466 --> 00:20:45,316 MICKEY LELAND: --Haitian government-- 630 00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:47,116 Hayes Taggerty, Boston Globe. 631 00:20:47,150 --> 00:20:48,300 It's a pleasure to meet you, sir. 632 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,330 I'm a, uh, friend of your son's. 633 00:20:55,660 --> 00:20:56,150 My son? 634 00:20:56,183 --> 00:20:58,500 You mean Edward? 635 00:20:58,830 --> 00:21:00,330 I doubt that, sir. 636 00:21:00,660 --> 00:21:02,266 Edward died when he was 18. 637 00:21:02,300 --> 00:21:03,166 In Korea. 638 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,216 No, I meant Jack. 639 00:21:05,250 --> 00:21:08,183 Jack was too young for Korea. 640 00:21:08,216 --> 00:21:09,433 I didn't know Jack had a brother. 641 00:21:09,466 --> 00:21:13,166 You were a friend, you said. 642 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,500 If you're not, you shouldn't go around saying you are. 643 00:21:18,383 --> 00:21:20,433 Jack keeps a lot to himself. 644 00:21:20,466 --> 00:21:22,283 That's one of the things that fascinates 645 00:21:22,316 --> 00:21:24,466 me about him, how such a public man 646 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,466 can be such a private person. 647 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,433 So, you see, I'm writing a book about Jack. 648 00:21:28,466 --> 00:21:31,366 A book? 649 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,316 Too bad, the honorable thing to do, knowing what you must know 650 00:21:35,350 --> 00:21:38,116 about him, is not write a book. 651 00:21:38,150 --> 00:21:40,216 You are an honorable man, aren't you, Mr. Haggerty? 652 00:21:40,250 --> 00:21:42,283 Taggerty. 653 00:21:42,316 --> 00:21:45,000 I'd like to think so, sir. 654 00:21:45,330 --> 00:21:45,466 Then you must know shit. 655 00:21:50,350 --> 00:21:53,116 Something contradictory about all of that. 656 00:21:53,150 --> 00:21:56,166 I'm sorry about the editorial comment. 657 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:57,416 When do we want it? 658 00:21:57,450 --> 00:21:58,416 Now! 659 00:21:58,450 --> 00:21:59,416 What do we want? 660 00:21:59,450 --> 00:22:00,416 Free South Africa! 661 00:22:00,450 --> 00:22:01,416 When do we want it? 662 00:22:01,450 --> 00:22:02,316 Now! 663 00:22:02,350 --> 00:22:04,166 What do we want? 664 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:05,416 Free South Africa! 665 00:22:05,450 --> 00:22:07,000 When do we want it? 666 00:22:07,330 --> 00:22:07,400 Now! 667 00:22:07,433 --> 00:22:08,400 What do we want? 668 00:22:08,433 --> 00:22:09,400 Free South Africa! 669 00:22:09,433 --> 00:22:11,400 When do we want it? 670 00:22:11,433 --> 00:22:12,400 Now! 671 00:22:12,433 --> 00:22:14,150 Namibia must be free. 672 00:22:14,183 --> 00:22:16,266 South Africa must be free. 673 00:22:16,300 --> 00:22:18,300 Namibia must be free. 674 00:22:18,333 --> 00:22:21,330 South Africa must be free. 675 00:22:21,660 --> 00:22:23,266 We would like to introduce to you 676 00:22:23,300 --> 00:22:26,483 our chairperson of the Free South Africa 677 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,450 movement, Randall Robinson. 678 00:22:37,450 --> 00:22:42,383 Last week in South Africa, the government issued an edict 679 00:22:42,416 --> 00:22:45,283 that forbids an protest whatsoever-- 680 00:22:45,316 --> 00:22:48,466 any opposition to repression. 681 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,483 Time is short. 682 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,216 And we must move as a nation now. 683 00:22:55,250 --> 00:22:58,466 WOMAN: We welcome Senator Lowell Weicker. 684 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,450 Thank you. 685 00:23:00,483 --> 00:23:03,450 Thank you. 686 00:23:03,483 --> 00:23:09,283 When I came to the Congress in 1969, 687 00:23:09,316 --> 00:23:11,250 there were those that said that everything 688 00:23:11,283 --> 00:23:14,416 will work itself out. 689 00:23:14,450 --> 00:23:17,383 Let South Africa be. 690 00:23:17,416 --> 00:23:21,266 Well, it's 1988, and things haven't worked themselves out. 691 00:23:24,133 --> 00:23:26,166 At what point did you leave Germany? 692 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,116 I wish they'd stop clearing their throats 693 00:23:28,150 --> 00:23:30,183 and get on with it. 694 00:23:30,216 --> 00:23:33,160 Well, I don't think Jack's up for while yet, General. 695 00:23:33,500 --> 00:23:35,160 We could probably go for lunch. 696 00:23:35,500 --> 00:23:36,166 Hell, no. 697 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,330 I don't like taking chances. 698 00:23:39,660 --> 00:23:40,450 It's the only time I get to see him. 699 00:23:40,483 --> 00:23:42,116 What, at hearings. 700 00:23:42,150 --> 00:23:46,133 Yeah, when he was in Congress I went to all of them. 701 00:23:46,166 --> 00:23:49,116 Boring as hell, but the only time we could get together. 702 00:23:52,216 --> 00:23:53,366 Why do you suppose that was? 703 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,330 Why, sir? 704 00:23:55,660 --> 00:23:57,150 I don't know why, that's why I'm asking you. 705 00:23:57,183 --> 00:23:59,160 Goddamn it, you're writing the book. 706 00:23:59,500 --> 00:24:01,166 Well, I-- I don't know. 707 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,450 It-- from what I know, it sounds like you 708 00:24:03,483 --> 00:24:07,383 and Jack have always had trouble relating to each other? 709 00:24:07,416 --> 00:24:08,466 Relating? 710 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,416 What the hell does that mean? 711 00:24:10,450 --> 00:24:13,266 Well, you were this war hero, and Jack 712 00:24:13,300 --> 00:24:16,660 was this frail, sensitive kid. 713 00:24:16,100 --> 00:24:19,150 Maybe he grew up with a lot of anger. 714 00:24:19,183 --> 00:24:20,416 Anger? 715 00:24:20,450 --> 00:24:23,166 Over what? 716 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:27,266 Well, possibly over his belief that he would always disappoint 717 00:24:27,300 --> 00:24:30,316 you-- that he could never live up the memory 718 00:24:30,350 --> 00:24:32,216 of his dead brother, Eddie. 719 00:24:32,250 --> 00:24:34,416 How did you know we called him Eddie? 720 00:24:34,450 --> 00:24:35,483 I--I didn't sir. 721 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,000 You said his name was Edward, so I assumed-- 722 00:24:38,330 --> 00:24:40,133 Christ, it was like you were there. 723 00:24:40,166 --> 00:24:44,183 If you know so much, tell me. 724 00:24:44,216 --> 00:24:46,500 Why didn't he come to me to settle it? 725 00:24:46,830 --> 00:24:49,160 Man to man? 726 00:24:49,500 --> 00:24:53,466 General, I think your choice of words there says it all. 727 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,100 I wish I could still talk to him. 728 00:24:59,500 --> 00:25:02,830 I wish it were still possible. 729 00:25:02,116 --> 00:25:07,233 What would you say, sir, if you could still talk to him. 730 00:25:07,266 --> 00:25:13,166 I would-- I would tell him-- I would 731 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,283 tell him I voted for Al Haig. 732 00:25:16,316 --> 00:25:18,500 Freedom yes. 733 00:25:18,830 --> 00:25:19,266 Apartheid, no. 734 00:25:19,300 --> 00:25:20,483 Freedom, yes. 735 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,200 Apartheid, no. 736 00:25:22,233 --> 00:25:23,416 Freedom, yes. 737 00:25:23,450 --> 00:25:26,216 And the man I'd like to introduce now-- Congressman 738 00:25:26,250 --> 00:25:27,183 Jack Tanner from Michigan. 739 00:25:34,830 --> 00:25:36,330 Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. 740 00:25:36,660 --> 00:25:38,400 Let there be no mistake about it. 741 00:25:38,433 --> 00:25:43,250 As a people of conscience, we cannot, we must not, 742 00:25:43,283 --> 00:25:46,150 settle for anything less than a comprehensive 743 00:25:46,183 --> 00:25:50,483 global boycott of South Africa. 744 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:55,660 For the past seven years, the Reagan administration 745 00:25:55,100 --> 00:25:58,166 has resisted all efforts to impose 746 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,000 standardized, worldwide sanctions. 747 00:26:01,330 --> 00:26:04,660 And as a result, we have participated in seven 748 00:26:04,100 --> 00:26:06,150 more years of official terror. 749 00:26:06,183 --> 00:26:07,500 Let's make some changes. 750 00:26:13,166 --> 00:26:14,100 Freedom, yes! 751 00:26:14,133 --> 00:26:15,466 Apartheid, no! 752 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:16,450 Freedom, yes! 753 00:26:16,483 --> 00:26:18,166 What is the matter with this man? 754 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,150 He will not stand still. 755 00:26:19,183 --> 00:26:22,150 He will not face camera. [inaudible] 756 00:26:22,183 --> 00:26:23,383 Freedom, yes! Apartheid, no! 757 00:26:23,416 --> 00:26:24,383 Freedom, yes! 758 00:26:24,416 --> 00:26:25,450 Thank you for joining us, Congressman. 759 00:26:25,483 --> 00:26:27,350 My pleasure. 760 00:26:27,383 --> 00:26:31,316 Come on, [inaudible] 761 00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:38,366 [inaudible] this man it's like [inaudible] Come on. 762 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:39,250 Get over here. 763 00:26:43,366 --> 00:26:47,660 I'd like to thank Dr. Gerber and Dr. Rosenfield 764 00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:48,400 for their testimony. 765 00:26:48,433 --> 00:26:51,150 The committee will now hear from our next witness, 766 00:26:51,183 --> 00:26:54,233 Congressman Jack Tanner. 767 00:26:54,266 --> 00:26:58,660 Is Congressman Tanner here? 768 00:26:58,100 --> 00:27:01,133 I understand that Congressman Tanner is not here. 769 00:27:01,166 --> 00:27:04,250 I will now proceed to our next witness, 770 00:27:04,283 --> 00:27:06,116 Governor Bruce Babbitt. 771 00:27:06,150 --> 00:27:08,450 All the way from Alexandria, he doesn't show. 772 00:27:08,483 --> 00:27:10,160 That's my boy. 773 00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:11,266 Sir, he's got a chaotic schedule. 774 00:27:11,300 --> 00:27:13,150 I'm sure there's a good explanation. 775 00:27:13,183 --> 00:27:14,150 Oh, sure. 776 00:27:14,183 --> 00:27:15,433 Jack always has a good explanation. 777 00:27:15,466 --> 00:27:16,400 That's my coat. 778 00:27:16,433 --> 00:27:17,466 But the one thing you can count on 779 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,366 is that you can't count on him. 780 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:21,483 Not like-- - Like his brother. 781 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,160 I hear you. 782 00:27:23,500 --> 00:27:25,266 Edward always showed. 783 00:27:25,300 --> 00:27:27,400 Showed up for a war, didn't he? 784 00:27:27,433 --> 00:27:30,100 Not like Jack. 785 00:27:30,133 --> 00:27:32,216 His goddamn grad school deferment. 786 00:27:32,250 --> 00:27:35,166 He didn't even show up for his own country. 787 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:36,466 The Vietnam War is over, General. 788 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,366 It's been over for a long time. 789 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,150 Some things are never over. 790 00:27:40,183 --> 00:27:42,483 Look, sir, he probably just got held up someplace. 791 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,300 I'm sure he'll be there. 792 00:27:44,333 --> 00:27:47,830 I mean, he is running for president. 793 00:27:47,116 --> 00:27:48,160 President. 794 00:27:48,500 --> 00:27:49,250 Can you believe it? 795 00:27:49,283 --> 00:27:51,830 Three months ago, he couldn't get himself arrested. 796 00:27:53,483 --> 00:27:55,500 Can I have your attention please? 797 00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:57,250 Can I have your attention please? 798 00:27:57,283 --> 00:28:01,160 I want to advise you [inaudible] 799 00:28:01,500 --> 00:28:02,000 Dad! 800 00:28:02,330 --> 00:28:03,400 We're going [inaudible] arrested. 801 00:28:03,433 --> 00:28:05,300 Get psyched! 802 00:28:05,333 --> 00:28:07,500 Apartheid, no! 803 00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:08,300 Freedom, yes! 804 00:28:08,333 --> 00:28:10,500 Apartheid, no! 805 00:28:10,830 --> 00:28:11,133 Freedom, yes! 806 00:28:11,166 --> 00:28:13,500 Apartheid, no!